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Tactic: Misrepresentation: We’re not missionaries!

June 14, 2010

One of the popular refrains you hear from “messianic jews” is that Jews lie about them. See, according to “messianic jews” the missionaries are the “Jews for Jesus” crowd and they are not like them! They do not go out to convert people, they do not conduct missionary activities, they do not see it as part of their “mission” to convert the Jews. We see this claim being made right here on this blog by Yehudi: “Messianic Jews don’t go door-to-door, nor do they proselytize.” (see comments on Tactic: When all else fails-insult!)

Well, this claim is of course a total lie when we look at statements found on “messianic jewish” websites. Of course, these quotes are so easy to find and so numerous that one wonders why they attempt this lie at all! (all links active as at 14 June 2010)

Baruch Hashem Messianic community

Outreach:

Jewish Community – We are compelled to bear the light of Yeshua the Messiah to the Jewish people. While maintaining a Jewish lifestyle as followers of Yeshua, we proclaim His Messiahship to the house of Israel in word and in deed.

International Outreach – We are actively involved in spreading the Good News of Yeshua to the nations through prayer, the Towards Jerusalem Council II initiative, financial support and direct personal involvement in ministry trips to various countries.

Association of Messianic synagogues (12 associated communities)

Therefore, it is not only Biblical to preach the Gospel to the Jewish people, it is imperative. It is also a priority.

Seed of Abraham Messianic Congregation

The Seed of Abraham Messianic Congregation is the oldest Messianic Jewish Congregation in the Twin Cities, ministering since 1982. The goal of our ministry has always been to follow the command of Yeshua- preach the good news to both Jews and Gentiles that Yeshua is the Messiah and make disciples of all nations.

Chosen people ministries

Messianic congregations practice all types of evangelism: invitations after the message, outreach events, community literature distribution, even specialized “Aleph” (similar to Alpha) programs. But their most powerful impact comes through growing the family of faith in a way that effectively reaches past the cultural resistance of Jewish people.

Shalom Eden Messianic Community (this one is in Johannesburg!)

Should I really try to persuade my Jewish neighbor to believe in Yeshua (Jesus)?

Yeshua commanded us to go out into all the world and make disciples (see Matthew 28:19-20), beginning in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria (Acts 1:8). Even the apostle Paul, who was called the apostle to the Gentiles, said that the Gospel should go to the Jew first and also to the Greek (Romans 1:16). Paul was so convicted by the need for Jews to receive salvation that he was willing to give up his own salvation if this would have brought salvation to the Jewish people (Romans 9:2-4). The salvation of the Jewish people was a priority in the lives of both Paul and Yeshua, and it needs to be a priority in the life of every Christian. It is every Christian’s duty to share the Gospel of Yeshua with their Jewish neighbor. The apostle Paul said that “it is by means of their [the Jews] stumbling that the deliverance has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them [the Jews] to jealousy” (Romans 11:11, Jewish New Testament). Every Christian is called to make the Jewish people jealous, so that they will want to hear the Good News. For more detailed information, see “You Bring the Bagels, I’ll Bring the Gospel: Sharing the Messiah with Your Jewish Neighbor” and “Jewish New Testament.”

Ariel Messianic Congregation Lake Worth Florida

The Lord loves a cheerful giver and pours out a special blessing on those who have a true heart of love for the Jewish people. In Palm Beach County there are over 272,000 people of Jewish heritage and very few of them have ever heard the the Good News concerning Messiah Yeshua. I would like to offer you the opportunity to share with us in the bringing of truth to these and all others concerning the Lord and His wonderful love for all peoples.

The cost of this Ministry goes up every day and with Satan waging a continous war against this ministry it is at times hard to do the work God has called us to do. We need more literature, tracts, etc. that is in friendly messianic terms that will attract the Jewish people to the Lord.

Messianic.biz (this one is even looking for ways to do it in Israel where proselytisation is illegal!)

What can I do now to spread the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ to the Hebrew people in Israel and elsewhere?Moshe | 07.15.2009 | 23:35:29 | Views: 420

There are ways to do this. Some of them you know, some of them you don’t. I am interested in hearing from people who have an interest in seeing some legitimate evangelization efforts take place in Israel and other places around the world targeting the Hebrew or Jewish people, now in the very immediate future. Of course it can be done.

Chaim.org This one details exactly the deceptive means they used to start a community!

It all started with meeting some Russian-Jewish immigrant friends. There are between 50,000 and 100,000 living in Philadlephia. We started some small group meetings and holiday dinners in our home. Eventually we began working on planting a Russian speaking congregation among Jewish immigrants from the former Soviet Union. Marko Malyj, who was a bi-vocational volunteer with CHAIM, did tremendous work in getting this rolling. God sent us an organizing pastor, Rev. Ilya, a congregational planter with Mission to North America, of the Presbyterian Church in America. Rock of Israel is now a reality!

Still Chaim.org

Our Purpose

We promote the gospel among the Jewish people through direct evangelism, motivating and equipping churches, and discipling Jewish believers. It is our desire to help rebuild the Reformed witness to the Jewish people in the USA.

Arrowhead Messianic Congregation

The Outreach ministry of Arrowhead Messianic Congregation is taking many opportunities to go out into the neighboring communities and show the Love of Yeshua. Many of these opportunities will be joint ventures with other ministries. Watch our monthly schedule for upcoming events.

As always, EVERY day is another opportunity to reach out to people in the community – at work, at the stores, at parks or libraries – any place you go. Always keep a smile on your face so the Light of the Lord can shine. When you look cheerful and at peace in all circumstances, people will want what you’ve got.

Adat Y’shua Messianic Congegration in Los Angeles

ADAT Y’SHUA EXISTS TO:
•Proclaim the Gospel of Yeshua (Jesus) here and abroad, especially to fellow Jews;

Union of British Messianic Jewish Congregations

Encouraging and assisting believers to reach out with the Good News – to all people.

Congregation Shema Yisrael

How do I witness to my Jewish friend?
I’m glad that you want to tell your Jewish friend the Good News about Yeshua, the Messiah of Israel. Presenting the Message about the Messiah who can restore us to God and bring us eternal life is the best way to bless Israel and the Jewish people; and God promises to bless those who bless the seed of Abraham. According to Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, bringing the Good News first to the Jewish people should be an evangelistic priority for all believers. Sharing the Good News about the Messiah with Jewish people is not complicated.

B’nai Avraham Messianic Congregation

Our Vision:
We will create an place where unbelieving Jewish families who care about their heritage can come and explore the possibility that Y’shua might be the Messiah. In so doing, we will avoid practices that would alienate and offend them.
Evangelism of Jewish friends, neighbors and family will be encouraged and facilitated by training of gentile and Jewish believers, by encouragement and support and by the sharing of testimonies and prayer requests.
Jewish customs and practices will be evaluated in the context of our belief in Y’shua to determine if they are valuable to us in terms of worship and as illustrations of the workings of our great and glorious G-d.
Our desire is that Jews and gentiles worship together so that we may learn from each other and together build a special fellowship and love that transcends cultural and racial barriers.
Our ministry will be tailored to the unique needs of Jews, in terms of dealing with hostile family and friends and in understanding how we fit in to G-ds wonderous plan for the world.
In order to effectively reach the Jewish community, we will educate the Christian community at large about the Jewish roots of Y’shua, as well as ways to reach the Jewish community.
Corporate evangelism will be done as opportunities arise, and we will constantly seek ways to penetrate the Jewish community with the Gospel.

Sha’ar Hashamayim Messianic congregation recruiting tract posted on their website

This is the text of a tract I wrote to reach the Jewish community in my area. We divided it into a tri fold paper and added graphics to make it look good. If you can use any or all of it feel free. No need to give any credit for it, just use what you can.

Blessings Rabbi Henry

Can A Jew Believe in Jesus and still be a Jew?

Was Jesus the first Christian?

Are these the right questions to be asking?
I’m not sure these are the right questions to be asking. The reason why I say this is because if we were having this discussion 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem and I was one of the first followers of Yeshua (Jesus) these questions wouldn’t have made sense. There was no such thing as a Christian then, as we perceive them today.

There were just Jews who proclaimed this Yeshua Ha Nazaret, (Jesus the Nazarene) to be the Jewish Messiah. Those Gentiles who did believe were in the absolute minority.

The first Talmidim (Disciples) dealt with this very issue in the Brit Hadasha (New Covenant) book called Acts, chapter 15 .

The Question that was asked back then was, what do we do with all these Gentiles who have come to faith in the Jewish Messiah?

I believe the real question that should be posed today is, was Yeshua the real Jewish Messiah?

The Messiah was prophesied to come from the house of David (a Jew) Isaiah 11. This Jewish Messiah’s job description was very clear and is found in the Tenach (First Covenant). Some call it the Old Testament. The Book of Isaiah is the book that speaks most about the Jewish Messiah. We find in one passage (Isaiah 53) it tells us of His mission.

Isa 53:5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.

I encourage you to read the whole passage.

The work of the Messiah was to reconcile all mankind back to G-d. Jew and Gentile. The Messiah was G-d’s plan of bringing Atonement and forgiveness for man’s sin.

So, that means, if Yeshua is not the Messiah for the Jew, He can’t be the Messiah for the Gentile.

C.S. Lewis once wrote, and I paraphrase: He is either a lunatic, liar or Messiah. This sure puts it into perspective. If He wasn’t the Messiah, what possible options are left? He couldn’t have been just a good man or a prophet; His claims were too exclusive.

The only way you will have a chance to know the truth is to check it out for yourself. First hand information is the only verifiable means to know the truth.

So, I challenge you to read the prophesies in the Tenach that speak of the promised Messiah. Here are a few to start: Psalms 22, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 53, Micah 5:2, .

Find out for yourself. If you have any questions we’ll be glad to help. But just remember, you can’t say He’s not Messiah for the Jew for sure if you haven’t first looked at the evidence.

If He is the Messiah to the Jew then it is only logical to conclude that not only can a Jew believe in Him but that the Most Jewish thing to do is to accept Him as his Messiah.

Got Questions? Contact us!

Messianic Jewish Bible Institute
The vision of the MJBI is to bring Jewish people into a personal relationship of faith with Yeshua the Messiah, knowing their acceptance will eventually mean life from the dead

Kehillat Shofar (in Hungary)
We take part in moderate evangelizing work, to help Jewish people to find and understand their identity; with our testimony and lives, we help the Jewish people to recognize: Yeshua as their Jewish Messiah.

Brit Chadashah Messianic Jewish Community
✡ To share our faith in Yeshua by word and deed, to our Jewish people as well as all peoples.

ADDENDUM
Since I have been accused of making it up that the “messianic jews” on Yahoo! Answers frequently claim they are not missionaries and that “messianic judaism” is not a messianic organisation here are a couple of screenshots of them doing that. Links to the posts on Yahoo! Answers are in the comments section below.

Devoted1 aka Prayer warrior Messianics not evangelising

boland Messianics dont evangelise

An extra screen dump since people seem to be in denial

No messianic jewish missionaries

From → Tactic

36 Comments
  1. turtle permalink

    Great list. Plus there’s the Jewish experience –

    We’ve seen them come to our services, & corner our vulnerable (children, confused, elderly) during the post-service gathering.

    We’ve seen them build their churches across the street so it’s easy access to prosetltyze us. Literally, seriously in many cities.

    So this list is a great reinforcement for what’s obvious to Jews! These folks believe the 2nd coming will be when Jews are Christians & plan to leave no stone turned to get there, no matter how hateful, intrusive & denegrating to Jews & Judaism it is.

    Messanics who do not call themselves Jews, Judaism has NO problem with. When you use falsifying your name, claiming to be Jewish, while using Christian theology, all to trick Jews into converting – yikes. Not even Christians want to count these folks in their numbers.

  2. Milton permalink

    Let’s clear something up. You aren’t a Rabbi, by Smicha or by being a wise teacher. A search of your posts on Yahoo shows you admitting you don’t have Smicha, by you!

    Don’t misrepresent yourself here. More lies, deceit and misrepresentation.

    This is an inane indeavor for a “rabbi” qualified as by being a wise teacher. Your behavior here shows you arent.

    If you truly live where you say you do, per your Yahoo profile, that area is being infiltrated by Neo-Nazi groups. Go fight that and really make a difference -or- are you afraid they’ll whip your sorry ass?

    Lay off the Messianics before a complete write up of you appears in the New York Times.

    • You are right- I do not have smicha nor have I ever claimed to have smicha. I am the acting Rabbi for a community in Johannesburg and many of the community members there call me Rabbi (I tried to stop it, but I’ve gven up LOL). As for this endeavor- it is one that many Rabbis undertake and which is supported by many. the antics of missionaries to try and destroy Jewish souls should not, and will not, go unchallenged.

      As for neo-Nazis; really, obviously you do not know much about the South African Jewish community. LOL yes, there are neo-Nazis here as there are everywhere in the world. there are Islamic extremists here as in many parts of the world. and we watch and keep the community safe from them. You have no idea of my involvement n anything outside of this website- how do you know how active I am in combating antisemitism and community security in general? Guess what- people can be involved in more than one thing at a time.

      As for getting a write up in a major newspaper- that would be interesting! Let me know when it appears! Hmm, it would be great advertising for the site! (What, you think that I am going to go running for the hills and shut the site down over a threat like that? )

  3. Mojo permalink

    So Turtle,

    You’ve actually seen Messianics at your services?
    That’s not allowed? Do you live in North Korea? If someone is targeting your children, call the police. Simple. 911. Don’t know what it is in North Korea though. Hah!

    Horror of Horrors, “they” built their church accross the street from you? Move. In the event you live in America, that’s perfectly within their rights. I think you’re a Nazi in disguize.

    Yehr right, the 2nd coming. Jews are pushing the Noahide laws so mashiach arrives.

    Strange if Christians don’t “count them in their number” how the mega-millions contributed to the above ministries are donated by Christian Congregations.

    Go away Dunderhead, be gone.

    • I’m tryiogn to figure out why he thinks Turtle is in north Korea- he nust be able to discern things that are not there! LOL

      As for seeing “messianic jews” at services- its hardly uncommon for them to try and come to Jewish communities under false pretences. Its happened in South Africa and I have no doubt it happens in other parts of the world.

      As for Christians donating to “messianic jewish” ministries- precisely! We all agree they are Christians- the “messianic jews” are the ones claiming to be Jewish and not missionaries; if they dropped the pretence and stopped pretending to be Jewish, if they admitted to being Christians, this site would not exist! This site exists precisely because they choose misrepresentation and deceit and try to pretend to be Jewish instead of being honest and admitting to being evangelical Christians with a missionary agenda as shown on this post!

  4. gloriagutman permalink

    I visited here as a result of the story on Messianics Exposed-Exposed.

    I’m listing you on the Jewish Whistleblower after finding out you are a Shyster Rabbi.

    A meshugener zol men oyshraybn, un im araynshraybn.

    • Gee- you’re going to list me as not being a rabbi, when I don’t claim to be a Rabbi! How hilarious LOL do let me know when the hilarious post appears, it should be fun to see how you claim someone who does nto claim to be a Rabbi is not a Rabbi ROFLOL

      Oh, and by the way, which ID should we address you by? gloriagutman? Mojo? Sonofthunder? junebride? Really- what, you forget that IP numbers are recorded next to comments here? LOL

  5. Mr. Kramer permalink

    I come here with an open mind.

    You seem to know about screen-dumping.

    If you show me one screen dump of any poster you’ve already screen-dumped saying there are no Missionaries to the Jews, I may believe you.

    Mind you know, I want to see a post from one of the existing posters you exposed, so you don’t create an ID and frame them.

    A link to their typing that on Yahoo Answers would be helpful and to your credibility too.

    Let’s see the backup.

    Sid

    • Shame- you wanted to see an admitted “messianic jew” stating how she doesn’t evangelise to the jews? Look at devoted here (oops- screen name has changed to “prayer warrior now!” LOL (see screenshot above)

      Another one- this one from Boland “messianic israelite” (screenshot edited in above)

      If you don’t like these, others can be used instead ROFLOL

  6. Livia permalink

    Oh, I see what you mean. Blogster, they’re saying they don’t evangelize on Yahoo Answers. Perfectly clear to me.

    What I believe you’re looking for is some proof that such Jews do not have mission work in the world. Nobody sane would deny that, not one of them.

    I don’t get it.

    • Hilarious- what, you think if you twist it enough you can alter it to try and make it appear as if it says something else? LOL Neither says its only on Yahoo! Answers they don’t evangelise. Lets see
      Devoted aka Prayer Warrior: “I don’t evangelize to my Jewish friends, my “testimony” is my life.”
      BoDalanD: “I’m sure that there are some Messianics who fit that description of being Evangelicals, but I haven’t met them. Most of the Messianic believers that I know don’t go looking for “weak minded” Jews to “convert”! There are plenty of weak minded christians that need Torah, why look for a Jew?

      I find it very insulting and narrow minded that these people continue to harp on some group back in the 60’s that used the name “messianic jew” and and were in fact trying to evangelize the Jews. Now every one who uses anything that is close to this name is the same as they were.
      The name may be the same, but the heart is totally different”

      Really, both state they do not evangelise or look for people to convert. One specifically states that they are not like the groups from the 60s that did evangelise. Really, trying to deny what they have said and to rework it into something different just shows you trying to defend their lie that “messianic judaism” and “messianic jews” do not evangelise!

  7. turtle permalink

    Mojo
    I’m in the US. How you got N. Korea makes a question on your reading accuracy.

    I’ve personally experienced this invasion. Plus consoled friends in other synagogues who were shocked to find the person next to them, not practicing Judaism, but in our sacred spaces to convert us to their religion…praying to their theology while in our synagogue, then waiting for openings to slip in on anyone vunerable. Yep, that creepy.

    It’s not unusual. It’s written about by Jews experiencing it, in Jewish newspapers & by Rabbis dealing with it.

    Churches built on purpose to make it easy access to invade us…. It’s in their conference notes & their church log meetings, that THIS SPECIFICALLY is why they pick these locations.

    They come also to our nursing homes, knock on our doors when only our teenage children are home, & into hospitals — all calling themselves Jews while praying in Christian beliefs to trick us into converting. Only con-people have to lie & purposely not say “Jesus” but say “Yeshua”, not mention “virgin birth” or “miracles.” But to stick with stuff that won’t flag a Jew.

    For 2000 years Jews have said, no thanks, leave us alone. For 2000 years Jews have been murdered for it. Now they pick yet another way to harrass us.

    Only a slender segment of Chrisitan churches support them such as SOME Southern Baptist. Many, many churches signed a group letter decrying all of them as coerced conversions (because of the lies) & immoral.

    • Here in Johannesburg I have yet to actually see a building marked as a “messianic jewish” church or synagogue. Generally, they seem to hold their church services in Churches sympathetic to their movement. They might have a dedicated building somewhere- i have just never heard of it!

      However, that does not stop them trying to infiltrate the main stream Jewish synagogues. Generally they are unsuccesful since the community is small enough that very few Jews are around that are unknown and a complete stranger has to prove they are Jewish through specific means. Those few that do get it, get kicked out when they try discussing their religion in the synagogue. Jewish places of worship are NOT open to missionaries! Sadly, I have had this experience at the shul where I am the acting Rabbi- and the person most disgusted was a regular non-Jewish attendee who could not get over the disrespect they showed to Judaism by trying to abuse a shul to convert Jews! (I have two regular non-Jewish attendees: one a woman from Zimbabwe, another a local Ebo who is a priest for his community. He is upset that Ebo are not recognised as Jews by other Jews, but he still attends regularly)

  8. Tiffany permalink

    Dear Blog Director,

    I post on Yahoo all the time. I am frequently in the R&S section.

    I never evangelize there, ever. However, I always donate money to spread the Gospel to the Jews. I’m currently sending donations to 4 Ministries that send missionaries out in the USA, Africa, Israel and the United Kingdom for that very purpose.

    What you said about “my “testimony” is my life” is so true. But I share my faith in Yeshua whenever I get the opportunity, but not on Yahoo Answers.

    If ever you want information, please email me, I would be happy to send you the materials you refer to!

    Romans 1:16 “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: FIRST FOR THE JEW, then for the Gentile”

    • Thanks for the offer Tiffany- but I really do not need your materials! Its doubtful you could send me anything I have not seen before. Though here is fair warning to any missionaries planning on sending me materials- email and other electronic information will just be trashed. Hard copy materials will NOT be treated respectfully! They will be thrown into the nearest dustbin and treated like all other waste in the house (though f it is standard paper I will probably send it for recycling)

  9. Otto permalink

    Why do you start so many posts on Yahoo and now here with “SHAME”.

    I believe you must be an old Jewish woman trying to drum up guilt.

    Poser.

    • I thank Otto for showing his inability to converse without throwing around insults. As can be seen from the picture posted by the “messianic jews” on their blog discussing my blog (sheesh, now theres a sentence! LOL) I am male. Don’t let the facts stop you though! LOL

  10. Lynda permalink

    This is very important to me. I have a list of every Messianic Ministry in the world.

    None of those places of worship are across the street, or besides Orthodox, Conservative or Reform Temples.

    Since you have all sorts of access to Anti & Counter Missionaries, please supply a few names of Messianic Congregations within reasonable distance from one of the above branches I mentioned.

    I did my research and you should do yours. Till then, I’ll believe you make up these LIES to further your own agenda.

    Only the names I need, I’ll do the rest of research myself by contacting them.

    • You seem to be labouring under a misconception; I am a single individual with access to no databases. However, feel free to compile a list of every Jewish community in the world, cross correlate it to your list of “messianic communities” and show hat are none are close to each other. Let me know when you are done LOL

  11. Aravah permalink

    Detractors ranting about you not having rabbi accreditation should probably consult their own Christian upbringing = Lay Pastor/Minister. Someone who fills in when there is no pastor or minister for the community or on a temp basis.

  12. Dances With Torah With permalink

    I don’t know about building their churches they give Hebrew names in close proximity to that of synagogues, but I do know of deceptive missionary tactics.

    I will make note about just one notorious group and their activities long disturbing to the Jewish community in Houston, Texas.

    “Beth Yeshua HaMashiach” is a congregation that calls itself “Messianic Jewish” while it’s doctrine contradicts the core of Torah observance, the New Testament belief in Jesus as God is their doctrine of belief, in Hebraicised form.

    They have had members holding banners and signs, posted signs and sometimes even shout across the street from the Houston Jewish Community Center, handing out tracts on the sidewalk and trespassing on the JCC property to place tracts in the JCC facility

    I am most aware of this group because I have family members who have been directly harassed by them.

    http://www.byhm.net/
    Their Statement of Faith is found at their web page.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M5dY0nnVJg Video evidence.
    the following is from the Jewish Herald Voice, and I have previously been given permission to quote articles for this purpose if I reference the author and source..
    By MICHAEL C. DUKE

    Missionary leader Jim Pratt stands in front of signs he posted on a public footbridge outside the JCC. Depending on his audience, Pratt refers to himself as “rabbi” or “messianic rabbi.”
    On June 28, a group of Christian missionaries, posing as “Jews,” violated city and state ordinances by attaching signs to the footbridge that spans Brays Bayou, facing S. Braeswood Blvd., directly across the street from the Jewish Community Center of Houston.

    These signs bore messages that encourage Jews to accept Jesus as “lord” and “savior.”

    Houston City Code (Sec. 28-38) prohibits posting unauthorized signs on curbs, sidewalks, streets, public spaces or public property (Code 1968, § 3-2; Ord. No. 70-1747, § 1, 10-6-70). Similarly, State of Texas Transportation Code (Section 393.002) prohibits the posting of signs on the right of way of a public road. Maximum fines for violating both ordinances are $500 per sign, per violation.

    Upon seeing the signs attached to the bridge, neighborhood resident, Ira Bleiweiss, informed the missionaries that their signs were violating city law. Bleiweiss is founder of Bridge Houston, a rapidly growing grass-roots Israel advocacy group that also is dedicated to promoting healthy Jewish-Christian relations.

    The missionaries replied to Bleiweiss’ approach, saying that the law did not apply to them, Bleiweiss said. He then notified the Precinct 5 Constable office.

    A constable responded to the call, but was told by the missionaries that they had a permit for the signs. After Bleiweiss determined that the missionaries did not have a permit, as claimed, he called Houston police. Before the HPD officers arrived, the missionaries removed their signs from the railing, but not before Bleiweiss took photos with his digital camera.

    Bleiweiss met the officers, showing them photos and copies of the no-sign-posting laws. He also presented a letter from the city attorney’s office, indicating that the municipal ordinance will be enforced. The officers were professional and even-handed, Bleiweiss noted. They issued the missionaries a one-time warning.

    “This messianic group doesn’t respect the commandment: ‘Thou shall not bear false witness,’” Bleiweiss observed. “Nor do they respect commandment 28-38 of the Houston city code: ‘Thou shall not post signs on public property.’ ”

    The missionary group behind the signs is Beth Yeshua HaMashiach. Founded and supported by the Southern Baptist Convention, the church self-identifies as a “messianic synagogue.”

    Nearly every Sunday for the past several years, Beth Yeshua has sent missionaries to proselytize Jews outside the JCC. These missionaries masquerade as “Jews” by wearing kippot and giving Hebrew names to Christian concepts. They argue that Judaism is an inferior religion, made complete only by acceptance of “Yeshua” (a Hebrew name they give to Jesus).

    In the past, the missionaries had attached a large banner to trees facing the JCC, and placed missionary materials in a neighborhood mailbox, in at least one confirmed case. The JH-V reported in April that both tactics appeared to violate laws. Since that report, the mailbox fliers stopped, and the missionaries began holding their signs. June 28 was the first time the signs were seen attached to the footbridge.

    Bleiweiss said he and several neighborhood residents repeatedly have asked the missionaries not to proselytize Jews outside the JCC. “How would Christians feel if Muslims were standing outside the local YMCA, telling them that their Christianity can only be completed by accepting Muhammad?” he asked.

    “These messianics outside the JCC continue to show a complete disrespect, not only for interfaith, Jewish-Christian relations, but also a disregard for the law,” Bleiweiss said.

    The missionaries have defended their operations by claiming freedom of speech. When challenged by Bridge Houston members on issues of credibility, respect and legality, the group’s leader has responded by speaking in tongues.

    Bridge Houston recommends that people call the police if they see the missionaries violating laws.

    Copyright © 2009 Jewish Herald-Voice. All rights reserved.

  13. Dances With Torah With Two Left Feet permalink

    accidentally hit enter before I finished my screen name

  14. Mr. Catskill permalink

    I noticed you are contemplating publishing IP Addresses.

    You’d possibly be liable.

    Making an IP address public is similar to posting someone’s social security number. It isn’t significant unless a third party uses it for illegal reasons. I personally would NOT do this.

    If a third party knew how, the IP address YOU posted on YOUR site could be used for a “port scan” to find open connections to the original poster’s computer. If material appears on your site that can be used illegally, you can be held responsible for not using ‘reasonable caution’.

    To my knowledge any sites of this type, including WorldNet do not have published IP addresses. While those addresses can indeed be seen by the Administrator, that’s as far as it gos.

    You might not have known this.

    • You do realise that IP addresses are NOT protected by law? Unlike a social security number they are not considered personally identifiable data as per multiple court decisions- the most recent USA one in July 2009; the most recent international one in Ireland just a few days ago. If you want to try and threaten me legally, do your research first. I am very aware of my rights and what is and is not allowed. As is, to date I have not posted any IP addresses and the people have been warned very clearly that they are not to use multiple accounts- or to call me a liar and force me to post the proof of what I am claiming. So in terms of this site if I posted screenshots from the admin screen showing the IPs it would be 100% legal. So, if you think that making legal sounding posts is going to scare me- sorry, its not going to work and the statement stands: anybody caught out abusing multiple accounts and then calling me a liar when I expose them, will have their IP address against the multiple posts shown

  15. turtle permalink

    Lynda
    It’s not possible to have a list of all Messanic congregations since they aren’t an organized single group.

    This is internet so I won’t give my hometown. However, one location was selected so it was across from & a couple houses down from the Reform synagogue (temple) in town. I witnessed it, & then experienced the members attending our synaguogue.

    It’s by far not the only time I’ve heard of this. At the time, the experts that deal with this problem that we consulted, said it was certainly not the only time they’d seen this methodology.

    Maybe you aren’t looking hard enough to get lists of all the synagogues in each town & then compare. That’s NOT a small task – and I highly doubt you had time to do all the research. Particularly since the Messanics at least in smaller towns, tend to park in rented spaces, so they move as needed. Synagogues too are always changing & adding a new building or closing down.

    Edit: Re-written to be clearer.

  16. turtle permalink

    An example of locating close by:

    From http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/library/library-primary-228/missionary-tactics/340-nose-to-nose-in-toronto

    “Until the sign appeared, none of the people at the butcher shop, or the kosher pizza parlor knew who the new tenant in the Main Exchange Mall in suburban Toronto was going to be. It caught the local director of headquarters of the National Conference of Synagogue Youth completely by surprise. But when the 30 foot sign, reading “City of David Messianic Synagogue” was installed, there was no question in anyone’s mind – the missionaries had moved into one of Canada’s most Jewish neighborhoods.”

    Well that only took a couple minutes to find. I’ll look for more exacting examples.

    Here are some of the groups in Israel. Clearly it’s ridiculous to claim one has a list of all groups, since this is a tiny smattering in only one location. Hyperbole isn’t going to be convincing:
    http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/library/library-primary-228/missionary-tactics/312-targeting-israeli-jews-some-key-players

  17. Personal permalink

    EDITED WITH CORRECT LINK: Turtle, I find the above post to Lynda vary patronizing.

    When I searched a link at Messianics Exposed Exposed, I searched for City of David Congregation in Canada, allegedly next to a Jewish Community.

    When City of David Congregation appeared, so did the list of “Every Messianic Congregation Worldwide” City of David is on it, so I’d consider it up-to-date. http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/community/list-of-messianic-congregations/
    Now if (name removed by moderator) would only post this instead of censure what is posted here and what is not, we can communicate.

    Hyperbole isn’t used, when facts backing the statement can be produced – therefore, your wording was patronizing to Lynda.

    • That list is far from complete! I don’t try to keep track of every”messianic church” in South Africa- but even I know there is more than just the one in Vereeniging! I have a link to the misisonary statement of a South african “messianic jewish” community in edenvale, which is missing from the website! How many others are not there? How did they decide which to include and exclude? The only thing that can be said about that list is that it lists SOME of the “messianic jewish” communities worldwide and is far from a complete listing!

  18. Diamond permalink

    What has been your most satisfying moment regarding this blog? Do all Jews have to go to Israel once in their life? Are there Jews who believe in Jesus in your community? Do they like you?

    Is the platterpus a Kosher animal? I know it has webbed feet, but it seems a bit odd to eat.

    Many thanks.

    • My most satisfying moment? getting emails from other counter missionary sites congratulating me on the site and asking to be added to my links. Second to that is the large volume of comments from “messianic jews” and the interest taken in this site by a certain “messianic jewish” site- all nicely indicative of the fact that this site is effective.

      When there is no Temple standing, there is no requirement for a Jew to go to Israel. In the days of the Temple, Jews were required to go to Israel three times a year- on Pesach, Shavuot and Sukkot

      The platypus is NOT a kosher animal- it does not have a cloven hoof nor does it chew the cud therefore it is not kosher. No need to worry about how funny it seems to eat it if you keep kosher.

  19. Diamond permalink

    Ops, I forgot my mothers quetion. Are you planning on making a tour to promote this site? Will you be coming to America? Can we be put on the mailing list for future appearances?

    She is a big fan of yours.

    • Sorry- this is a non-commercial site and my day job does not provide me with enough income to take trips yo foreign countries and have extended time away. So, your mother will just have to content herself with what appears on the site.

  20. Private permalink

    Kush meer in toches!

    You have wasted my time on a trivial pursuit.

    What kind of nut are you? This is fluff.

    Hots mikh un zayts mikh!

    • Shame, if you don’t like the site, feel free not to read it. What, you think swearing at me in Yiddish is going to make you seem more credible? LOL

  21. Johaness D. Biyick ben Israel permalink

    Shalom Alechem dear brethren, and YHWH beloved one !

    הנומתו םיעמש םתא םירבד לוק שאה ךותמ םכילא הוהי רבדיו:לוק יתלוז םיאר םכני
    Deuteronomy 4:12″Then the YHWH spoke to you from the midst of the fire; you heard the SOUND of WORDS, but you saw no form –only a VOICE.

    Yochanan 4:24″Elohim is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
    Scripture gave a clear cut description that YHWH Elohim is ONE, IN ONENESS, but with many prophecies !

    May Peace, grace and blessings of YHWH the Most High be always with you, proclaiming the Revival of Repentance in the Name of Yahshua HaMashiach, Messiah of Yisra’El.

    Shalom !
    Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this hopeful message mine to you,and hope that YHWH our God, will essentially and abundantly bless this encounter, of His children.

    I am Rév. Johaness Dingome Biyick, a messianic Pastor, with a ministry in Cameroon,Africa, and, naturally, very concerned about anything relating to Israel, judaism, judéo-christianism and messianism,and think also it should be good for all christians to think this way, to return to our hebraic roots, simply, to even better understand the message of the lord Yeshua,and how worshiping in truth and in Spirit, YHWH our God.

    My main reasons of writing to you,dear brethren, are as follow:

    – Partner with your ministry, to help us with teachings on true fellowship to YHWH and
    His son YHSWH, by respect to all the ordonnances, feasts and worship, as established in Israel
    and the Bible, and with no compromise.

    – To send me if possible copies in DVDs or vidéos in USB or strong discs of some hebrew, messianic songs or preaches, live in public or private, messages or images, and about UFOs, Allien conspiracy and anything concerning the planetes.

    – Bibles in Hebrew/ English transliteration, please please please, to help us walk accordingly to YHWH’s wish, according to YHWH’s strict ordonnances and convenience, and with no compromise.

    – Some blue and black lines coloured prayer Shawls for me,my wife and my two children, because the one I had alone and which was serving for all of us, is so old,and getting in pieces.

    – A hand and front teffilins.

    – Stil if possible,an hebrew and Aramean Bible in MP3, for I do not know how to read in those sacred languages, as I would so much like to.

    – And finally, an Israel and Jerusalem flag, with any other items, concerning Israel, judaism and messianism

    Please dear brethren, don’t get angry about my asking you of these items,they can’t be available here in Africa,and I am quite poor to travel to israel actually,to get them.

    Please brethren, if you could do that for me, I shall never ever forget you,nor ever forgetting giving you thanks,for you will never know the better you gonna do to me,by sending that to me, because I have a culture of oeucumenism and intefaith, and am letting it grow in my ministry.

    There is no partcular obligation in getting all the items, the ones you should get for me and for us, will surely be a greatest gift.

    Please unite your ministry into partnership in Christ, with our Messianic ministry and pray for our work to spread the YHWH truth in our Country, and the whole of our continent too,for we are all Torah observant, and encourage all to refer back, in our hebraic roots.

    Please do pray also for our services and our charity home of orphans.

    Here we’ll be all fervently praying for you, your blessed family, your staff your elders and our YHVH group.

    We are prayerfully expecting your kind reply.

    May YHVH bless you all,

    May the light of YHWH our Lord and our God be always infront of your paths,with the love of Yeshua His Holy,and the blessings of the Ruach Hacodesh.

    בעזרת השם Be’ezrat Hashem.

    Yours and in His name,

    Pastor Johaness Dingome Biyick

    ABOUT OUR MINISTRY:
    ______________________

    Our ministry consists of Torah obedient believers in Messiah Y’shua , that is teaching believers about Elohim’s (God’s) truth found in His Son Messiah Y’shua and in His Torah, and are walking it out in their lives daily to the best of their ability.

    Here are a few details about us :

    We have in-depth Torah studies on Shabbat following the Torah service and fellowship meal where we dig into the weekly portions to find His will for our lives as we strive to live Torah obedient lifestyles. This is also a time where we can ask questions about the Messiah Y’shua, the Torah, the Torah obedient lifestyle, or other issues facing us as believers and together find the answers from His Word.

    We believe that the Scriptures were written to help us live better lives that please our Father. The Torah is our instruction manual that shows us how to live righteous lives for Elohim. So Ro’eh Mordechai ben Yisrael (Ro’eh simply means shepherd or pastor and is preferred over the title rabbi) takes the Scriptures and tries to communicate it in a way that is relevant to our daily lives.

    In our services, what is worn should be respectful to HaShem and in keeping with what you would deem appropriate if you were to going to meet an important dignitary, because we are coming into the presence of our Creator and the King of kings and considering the state of poverty so common in Africa in general, our restrictions are less accentuated, but not abandonned.

    You will see some people wearing traditional tunics and caftans, some dress up, and some dress slightly more casual.

    We keep the Laws of Niddah (Laws of Family Purity) as found in Elohim’s Torah. For a clearer understanding on this subject and for some basic guidelines, please click here to read our position on this issue.

    We believe Torah teaches that men and boys over age 13 should wear a kippah or some other type of covering (hat, beret, etc), and married women should wear headcoverings (scarves, snoods, hats, or other types of headcoverings) to show that both the men and women are under proper authority. (Single women, girls, and boys under 13 need not cover their heads unless they desire). Because of the Torah instructions of YHWH (Adonai, The Lord), we ask that all men and women wear headcovering when attending our services and events. We have some headcoverings available for those who do not have one, or forgot yours. (We also need some kippots for men and scarves for the women). If one forgets to wear a headcovering, someone will discreetly remind him or she, so he or she can comply with Elohim’s instructions.

    We meet on the Sabbath Day (Saturday) .

    We have a time of food and fellowship between our Torah Service and our Scripture studies to refresh ourselves, and get to know one another better.

    We let peoples feel free to bring something with them to eat and share. We try to eat Scripturally kosher foods, and ask that all foods are prepared ahead of time before Shabbat so no one is cooking on the Shabbat.

    We want people to feel comfortable coming to learn about YHWH (Adonai, The Lord) and their Hebraic roots and to experience His love and shalom (peace).

    We also want to teach people about proper Torah obedience and the proper respect for YHWH, Messiah, and His Torah. We want people who come here to feel at home.

    One of our most important condition is to belong to our prayer group, Africans United for Israel(AUFI), where we INTERCEDE FOR THE STATE OF ISRAEL, pray for THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM and the MIDDLE EAST, and support Israel with no condition or compromission,to any situation it might stand, politically, economically, or spiritually, for Israel is the land of our Prophets, the land of our saviour, and the Holy land of YHWH, our God.

    Praise YHWH, we give thanks to Him for the gift of salvation He gave us through His Son, Messiah Y’shua.

    Genesis 24:42-44
    וָאָבֹא הַיּוֹם, אֶל-הָעָיִן; וָאֹמַר, יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵי אֲדֹנִי אַבְרָהָם, אִם-יֶשְׁךָ-נָּא מַצְלִיחַ דַּרְכִּי, אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי הֹלֵךְ עָלֶיהָ. הִנֵּה אָנֹכִי נִצָּב, עַל-עֵין הַמָּיִם; וְהָיָה הָעַלְמָה, הַיֹּצֵאת לִשְׁאֹב, וְאָמַרְתִּי אֵלֶיהָ, הַשְׁקִינִי-נָא מְעַט-מַיִם מִכַּדֵּךְ. וְאָמְרָה אֵלַי גַּם-אַתָּה שְׁתֵה, וְגַם לִגְמַלֶּיךָ אֶשְׁאָב–הִוא הָאִשָּׁה, אֲשֶׁר-הֹכִיחַ יְהוָה לְבֶן-אֲדֹנִי

    Genesis 24:42-44
    And I came this day unto the fountain, and said: O LORD, the G-d of my master Abraham, if now Thou do prosper my way which I go: behold, I stand by the fountain of water; and let it come to pass, that the maiden (הָעַלְמָה) that cometh forth to draw, to whom I shall say: Give me, I pray thee, a little water from thy pitcher to drink; and she shall say to me: Both drink thou, and I will also draw for thy camels; let the same be the woman whom the LORD hath appointed for my master’s son.

    May YHWH bless you abundantly, in letting the Holy Language be spoken and sang in Africa too,and may the Lord YHSWH exaust our prayers.

    • To the poster of the above comment- you seem confused by the purpose of this site: I am an Orthodox Jew OPPOSED to the deceit and deception of “messianic judaism”. Under no circumstances will I encourage or support any “messianic jewish” movement, nor will I support the providing of holy objects to such a community where their usage would be a desecration of G-d’s name. As such, your contact details have been removed as this site will NOT beused to slicit such materials for the purpose of being misused by “messianic jews”.

      I let this comment through for a number of reasons- the primary oe being that it illustrates very clearly one of the tactics ot the “messianic jews”- relabelling the Christian elements of their belief into Hebrew to try and make it seem more Jewish. Thus we see him quoting Yochanan instead of “John”- after all, everyone recognises John as Christian, thus the need to alter it to try and hide its Christian origin. We see the reference to “Yahshua HaMashiach” instead of Jesus Christ. In the quote from John we see the replacement of “God” with “Elohim to try and make it sound more Jewish. Wde see the usage of “Ruch Hacodesh” instead og the “Holy Spirit” and so on. Unlike some, however, this one clearly labels itself as being affiliated to the Christian community, even while trying to take on the trappings of Judaism making it a more honest group than most.

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